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LibertyOrDeath

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So my wife and I were discussing some way to cut some unneeded costs and I contemplated selling the KJ and going and getting an older TJ or maybe an XJ. Mainly because there a lot more parts for those vehicles compared to the Liberty and I could mod it a lot easier. I logged on to my BECU account to see how much I owed on the KJ. I owe $19073.11 not too bad considering I bought the KJ a year ago for $21,500 after the GAP insurance, and when gas prices were decent. I then headed to get the Blue Book value. A whopping $11,000 for the private party value, $9,000 trade in and $14,000 for what a dealership would charge. WTF. I lost $6,000 in one year. So if anyone would like to steal my KJ and set it one fire feel free. (Just Kidding)(blarg)(blarg)(blarg)(blarg)
 

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I bought mine new in July 06, same problem. I just sold a 2002 Dodge Neon ACR that would have been worth twice as much if it were a Honda Civic SI. Despite the fact that there was less than 300 made. I am hoping the Jeep depreciates less in the next couple of years. I want to buy American but I don't think I can afford to anymore.
 

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I bought mine new in July 06, same problem. I just sold a 2002 Dodge Neon ACR that would have been worth twice as much if it were a Honda Civic SI. Despite the fact that there was less than 300 made. I am hoping the Jeep depreciates less in the next couple of years. I want to buy American but I don't think I can afford to anymore.

Well, I should have got a TJ. Wranglers hold their value better than almost everything else. Since I am where I am I might as well mod it.
 

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Well, I should have got a TJ. Wranglers hold their value better than almost everything else. Since I am where I am I might as well mod it.
All SUV's and pickup's resale values have dropped dramaticaly in the last year due to the gas prices,a TJ wouldn't have faired any better then your KJ.There selling brand new pickups/big SUV's here for almost $25,000 under MSRP just to try to get rid of them.
 

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Granted I would still be in the hole with a TJ I would just be in a fairly small hole. A comparable TJ would have a trade in value of 14K and a dealership value of 19K. It just means since I am srt of stuck with the Liberty I might as well mod it like a mad man. Except for the SFA though.
 

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Poor consumer ratings do not help, right or wrong. Some of the fault is that the Liberty gets compared to RAV-4s and CRVs. Apples and oranges.
 

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Buying a new vehicle is #2 worst investment (technology #1). The best vehicle investment if you're concerned about minimalizing losses when resale time comes, is a 2 yr old vehicle that you can afford to pay off in 3 years.
The first two years of a vehicles life is when it takes the most depreciation, if you buy after that, the vehicle has already taken the biggest hit it's going to.
Domestics tend to take harder hit's due to "employee pricing" "0% financing" and "guaranteed $2.99 gas" deals. If a new vehicle is loaded up with tons of incentives, a used one will have to price way lower to attract a buyer.
One of the reasons Toyota and Honda retain their value so much is these companies don't give anything away.

As far as a TJ holding it's value more than a KJ, that might be true but it would be regional. In Ft lauderdale, a KJ would hold it's value much better than a TJ.
 

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This is exactly why I bought my KJ used!

Original sticker price for my Libby was $27,995, four years later I paid 11,000 with tax, title, and reg.

Vehicles are one of the wrost invests for sure.
 

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HHMMMM...............

On Feb 28th 2002 I bought my '02 KJ brand new,3 miles on the ODO,and it is a Limited model,I paid $17,000 even for it.About a year ago just for laughs I went to a dealer here in CO to see what they would give me for trade-in,about $3000 since it is heavily modified.That's really not bad for a 6.5 year old vehicle that is highly modified.Now they said if it was completely stock they would give me $6000 with the 50,000miles I had on it at the time.
 

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I always buy lightly used vehicles, except for my Mustang. I just bought an 07 F150 with 5300 miles on it for 22k. The sticker price was 54K. The truck is fully loaded and has the Southern Comfort conversion kit. Granted it is a truck and they are going cheap right now. I got a similar deal on my wifes Saab 9X7. I was an 07 with 3000 miles and was used by the sales people at the dealer ship. Got it for 15K less than sticker. JLRockies and Shaffer are exactly right
 

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I feel your pain bro...I owe $11,000 on my 02...worth about half that on trade in. Oh, just something to add - most dealers around here use the NADA value and NOT the KBB value these days. Not sure if it's the same where you are.
 

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buying a 2 year old vehicle is a great way to reduce depreciation. I buy new but I have kept all but one of my vehicles for at least 10 years. You don't have to worry about depreciation if you still own it, and by the time its ten years old, you have gotten full value from your purchase (and still have the vehicle)

The other way to prevent depreciation is to not pay too much in the first place.

You can get dealers to give you the lowest price upfront. - go shopping, but decide before you go that you will not bring a vehicle home that day. Find the model and options you want by test driving, then go home and do your research before you talk price. Edmunds.com is a great site for a getting a ballpark figure for the vehicle and the options you want. Once you know what you want, email every dealer in a 100 mile radius and ask them for their best price for the specific model and options you want. You'll get a better price if you broaden your options, for example "x model in either red or black" You'd be surprised at how quickly they will respond and how much less negotiation you will have to do at the dealership. How much is the dealership making on any vehicle is very hard to figure out. besides the published rebates and discounts, the dealerships also gets discounts and rebates depending on their volume. In that respect your best price may come from the biggest dealers.

Go to your bank and get pre-approved before you talk price with the dealership, that way you have something to bargain with. The dealership's financing can usually do better than your bank, and will try to beat your bank financing because the dealer is going ot benefit from steering you toward their preferred lenders. If they don't offer you better financing, you can always go with your bank

Never talk about a trade-in until you have negotiated the price you want to pay, and then know what the model is selling for in your area. Any difference between what they offer and what they are selling for is pure profit for them and should help you lower the final price a bit. Remember its all a shell game, a little more for your trade, a little less for the new car, sometimes works for you by reducing the taxes.

Last tip, Don't add anything to the deal unless you have done the research and are sure you want it and know what you should be paying for it. The dealerships will try to tack on fabric protection, paint protection, extended warranty and all sorts of other things. Don't buy it, just keep saying no, you'll be surprised how quickly they drop the price of that ext warranty. Just keeping saying no.
 

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... unless you WANT that extended warranty. But I'd always make sure it's an authentic Chrysler Service Contract. 3rd party warranties are a PAIN.
 

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A whopping $11,000 for the private party value, $9,000 trade in and $14,000 for what a dealership would charge. WTF. I lost $6,000 in one year. So if anyone would like to steal my KJ and set it one fire feel free. (Just Kidding)(blarg)(blarg)(blarg)(blarg)

Hmm, strange, I just KBB'd my 04 sport with the options I have. Excellent condition is rated at $11,000. Mine is in good condition, so I'd assume $8 - 10k?

That seems like a big dropoff for a 1 yr old vehicle. I got mine in 04, I think I paid $23.6 for it and I'm down to like $5k on the loan. I'm done next year. Can't wait.
 

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Hmm, strange, I just KBB'd my 04 sport with the options I have. Excellent condition is rated at $11,000. Mine is in good condition, so I'd assume $8 - 10k?

That seems like a big dropoff for a 1 yr old vehicle. I got mine in 04, I think I paid $23.6 for it and I'm down to like $5k on the loan. I'm done next year. Can't wait.

Same here. Jeep will be paid off next spring and its still worth around 11k. :)
 

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Just because of depreciation, I never buy a vehicle new. I bought my '02 in February '07, and it was a steal because it was what they considered higher mileage - 68K. And the only extras I bought with it at the time was the lifetime oil change. I think that package is already paid for by now...

And other than normal wear-n-tear things (oil/brakes/battery), I have had very little to do to keep it running as it should. To me, used is the way to go.
 

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Same here. Jeep will be paid off next spring and its still worth around 11k. :)

I'm kinda in the same Place. . My 06 is worth 13-14k on KBB and I got 12-13k left on the loan. (Plus I have 0% interest :D ). So pretty much if I ever gotta sell it I'll get at least enough to cover the loan. Despite the way gas is, 4x4's are still worth more in my area and Dealers still carry a lot them b/c of winter season.
 

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I'm kinda in the same Place. . My 06 is worth 13-14k on KBB and I got 12-13k left on the loan. (Plus I have 0% interest :D ). So pretty much if I ever gotta sell it I'll get at least enough to cover the loan. Despite the way gas is, 4x4's are still worth more in my area and Dealers still carry a lot them b/c of winter season.

So true. 4x4s are about to fly off lots in just a few more weeks. :D
 
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