component speakers vs 3 way

[cplchris]

im looking to upgrade from stock speakers to a nice pair of rockford fosgates in the front, and RF woofers in the rear doors...my question is for anyone on here who is knowledgeable in audio setup...would it be better to do a 2 way component in the front and replace the door speakers and dash tweeters or a 3 way door speaker with stock dash tweeters?
any input is appreciated
thanks

 

[Clyde Frog]

From http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44708

a three way speaker will afford the best sound quality. But, consider the speakers 6.5" footprint. There isn't much room to do it right. I would suggest a two way in the rear doors and a component speaker system for the fronts. Put a good mid range driver in the front doors and a tweeter on the dash. The mid range sounds you will "feel" but the high freq stuff you have to "hear". Considering where the speaker is in the door and where your knee is when you drive, you may loose the higher freqs from the left channel and your system, without a passenger will sound right biased. Put a decent crossover network in and a tweet in the dash. Sound is supposed to come from the front. You don't go to a concert and listen with your back to the stage do you? Essentially, it's all about creating a soundstage within your KJ. But hey, do what best suits your budget and your tastes.

ThunderbirdJunkie is going to go against the grain and say that the coaxial and triaxial speakers do NOT sound as good, when properly powered, as a good component setup.
coax/triax speakers have a large open center that doesn't allow for the structural rigidity that a monaxial woofer enjoys, and distortion comes up quite easily at higher volumes. Also, component systems normally come with crossovers and tweeters, so no sound range is lost.
But, this really only applies if you're running 100w/channel, so, if you're not, anything is an improvement over the crap OE speakers.

 

[Midgear]

I don't know about the whole tri-speaker thing.. I've got 4 Jensen 6x9's that are triaxle (the woofer, the mid, and the tweeter) and these things produce some of the loudest, most crystal clear music I've ever heard. right now I have them hooked up to my home unit (I know.. not the KJ, so irrelevent, but still) and you can just crank it and crank it and these things WILL NOT distort. they just get louder and louder, and the CLARITY of the sound coming from these speakers at such a high volume is just unbelievable. when the reciever is at maximum volume, you're just standing there going "holy shit.. how is this possible from a 6x9" It's truely something you'd have to witness.

now, when I tried to install them in the Jeep, hooked to a 4 channel 600w amplifier, yes they were loud, but they just didn't seem to sound correct. the highs sounded muddy and the mids and lows sounded like someones ass exploding.. so I put them back on my home stereo, and they continue to amaze. something tells me I wasn't feeding them enough watts with the little 4 channel amp.

I, too, would like to try and find a solution to my audiophile needs in mah Jeep. What if I purchased two sets of component speakers (4 woofers and tweeters, 4 crossovers) installed them into the front doors and dash like normal, and perhaps place the other two woofers in the back doors, and mount the extra two tweeters on the dash somewhere? would that be too much highs for the front?

I've already got two rockford fosgate 12's in the back, which are drowning out my worthless stock door speakers. I've got the amp turned down about half and the sub volume on the CD player set at -10 (-10 - +10, and ATT (off) ) and they still thump too loud. This is only a 760 watt pioneer amplifier im running the subs on.

need moar highs, mids, and door speaker bass!

PS: I also have the crossover on the CD player set so that the door speakers don't try to produce the really low notes found in some songs, this makes it so I can listen at a louder volume without worry of distortion.. but because of this, theres a gap in the frequencys. it goes from highs, mids, mid bass, (huge lack of low bass from the doors), and then the subs. with the subs off and the cross over off at a lower volume, it sounds marvelous.. till about half volume, then they start takin a shit. I want a setup where I can get a bit moar lows (not much, just enough to fill the gap) from the doors.

 

[JeepJeepster]

Door speakers are not meant to produce a low bass, thats the purpose of a sub and thats why they're called 'mids.' The tweeters produce highs, door speakers produce mids, and the sub produces your lows.

Ive got a 4 channel pioneer amp thats 60x4watts RMS going to two MTX mids in the back doors and a set of pioneer components in the front doors with tweeters in the dash. Ive got the low pass filter on the speaker set to 50HZ and the high pass filter on the sub(12in 400watts RMS) set to 80HZ. I can turn the volume up till your ears sting and it sounds wonderful, no distortion what so ever.

Those Jenson 6x9's, are they the correct ohm's for the amp? Typically a home theater system isnt the same ohms as a car stereo amp. You could cut some holes in the rear doors and mount tweeters in them. The new KK has tweeters in the top of the rear doors.

 

[Midgear]

the Jensen 6x9's are 4ohm, the amp is somewhere around 66w per channel RMS at 4ohms..

I reckon I just wasn't feeding them enough watts.. I had both gains on the amp at about 50%, any louder and the 6x9's would just completely drown out whatever was coming from the doors.. I like the whole surround sound thing, not 6x9's screaming at the back of your head. and then the 6x9's at that volume had almost zero bass reproduction, and were rather distorted.. and I HATE distortion, so I just took em out.

BUT.. my stock door speakers work for now- I'll get some better door speakers and go from there.

 

[Clyde Frog]

the Jensen 6x9's are 4ohm, the amp is somewhere around 66w per channel RMS at 4ohms..

I reckon I just wasn't feeding them enough watts.. I had both gains on the amp at about 50%, any louder and the 6x9's would just completely drown out whatever was coming from the doors.. I like the whole surround sound thing, not 6x9's screaming at the back of your head. and then the 6x9's at that volume had almost zero bass reproduction, and were rather distorted.. and I HATE distortion, so I just took em out.

BUT.. my stock door speakers work for now- I'll get some better door speakers and go from there.

I just picked up a pair of Sony XS-GT1626A on ebay for $50 if you are interested. They aren't top of the line but they've gotten great reviews on every website I've seen them on. Crutchfield has em for like $75 so it's a good deal. 40W 6 1/2"

I haven't installed them yet. I bought one set for the rear doors and I'm on a hunt for a good component set up for the front.

Here's the listing I got mine from:

Link

 

[cplchris]

thanks every1 for the advice but i have decided to go with a 2 way component in the front and a 2way speaker in the rear doors....on a side note birthday presents rule

 

[Clyde Frog]

Why components did you get for the front? If you got a link, that would be awesome! I've been looking for a good set up.

 

[KJJosh]

Why not go with the mopar/Kicker setup? I've heard nothing but good things about them.

Fronts : 77Kick15
http://www.justforjeeps.com/kifr6x9spips.html

Rear : 77Kick10
http://www.justforjeeps.com/kire62sp.html

 

[cplchris]

Why components did you get for the front? If you got a link, that would be awesome! I've been looking for a good set up.

heres the link: http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/product.php?id=ROKP1652S

kinda pricey but this is the place i found em...im gunna search for a better price for them but i usually try to buy from a store...ive had problems with online orders before

 

[cplchris]

i found the speakers for about half of what ultimate wants them for here are the links

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_18207_Rockford+Fosgate+P1652-S.html

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17789_Rockford+Fosgate+Punch+P1S652+.html

 

[Clyde Frog]

Cool, thanks!

 

[cplchris]

i should be getting the front speakers monday and will post a review of them

 

[cplchris]

attention any1 who is considering buying these speakers....they do not fit!!!i got them in but it was a complete pain in the ass to do so....they are not a true 6.5inch speaker...they are an oversized 6"....the kj does not have a normal 6.5 either its an oversized 6.5''....the best thing to do is use a speaker which is labeled as a 6.75" speaker...in order to get these to fit i had to buy adapter plates and then cut out the hole so the p1652's would fit but aside from that i am getting excellent sound quality and bass even at max volume without the use of an amp....i just have an aftermarket head unit (pioneer deh 5900 ib)

 

[hyde]

6 3/4" is the correct size

 

[jinstall]

I run these up front. Focla 165 V Editions

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I have never looked back. I am not real happy with the placement in the doors but it works. I used the OEM mount for these as they slipped right in with no issues and used heavy auto adhesive to secure them to the OEM mounts. After drying, 3 screws and they were in.