Is buyer trying to scam me over a Liberty I sold?

[RenKJ]

Just have two things to add bout this, how could you not notice a missing shock in a vehicle as heavy as the liberty? And your buyer paid about 2 grand less than id expect to in my part of the continent, maybe it went cheap at auction cause of rusty shock mounts or something

 

[M38 Bob]

I could almost believe not noticing a missing shock on a rear leaf spring setup. On COILS?? ??? Ya gotta be shittin' us.

Bob

 

[tjkj2002]

It depends. A neighbor down the road sold a car of his and a year or so down the road something expensive failed/broke and the buyer ended up suing him and won. "As Is" didn't save him. Not sure of any extenuating circumstances but it happened.

Being in Canada you may have different laws.


In the US the only thing a seller can come back to the previous owner for is emission related.Regardless of where you sell a vehicle if it ends up in a emission test area and it fails within 2 years of the sale you the previous owner are responsible to pay to have it pass regardless of cost or if any warranty was stated or sold "as is".

 

[LibertyTC]

^ That's interesting, but potentially bad news for someone selling a used vehicle.
Is that liability very well known by owners or sellers of used vehicles in the USA?

Here in Canada, I believe only one province, Ontario, remains to have emission testing.
In British Columbia for years we had "Air Care" better known to owners as "Air Scare"
Air Scare in BC, was recently cancelled as of Dec 2014.
Besides cost of running the program, the main reason for cancelling the tests was, fewer older cars, with poor emissions, remain on the road today.
The classic car clubs and everyone else is very happy with this decision! arty52:
Commercially, older diesel trucks/vehicles are sill the main focus here today.
In densely populated areas, who needs huge belching black & blue smoke trucks on the road. Everyone was complaining about the owners of trucks not maintaining their rigs.
They now have large roadside mobile scanners. Truck drives by and emission reading is taken.
If it is above max specs, they get immediately pulled over for a complete mechanical & emission test right there on the spot.:whip:
Interesting how quick, so many of the belching trucks are now gone off the roads.:gr_grin:

A far as used cars being bought from a dealer lot, there is some limited time buyer protection.
With private sellers, I always thought it was 2 seconds or 2 feet, which ever came first.. LOL.

 

[Hockeygoon]

Being in Canada you may have different laws.


In the US the only thing a seller can come back to the previous owner for is emission related.Regardless of where you sell a vehicle if it ends up in a emission test area and it fails within 2 years of the sale you the previous owner are responsible to pay to have it pass regardless of cost or if any warranty was stated or sold "as is".

Where is that law? The only thing I've ever heard of a buyer being able to come back on a seller is if the title isn't clear.

 

[CactusJacked]

Where is that law? The only thing I've ever heard of a buyer being able to come back on a seller is if the title isn't clear.

Yeah, I'd like to see that law too. I do know that the seller is supposed to sell the car with a current (most recently passed) emissions tag, and if not, then he could be held liable for issues if the car doesn't pass (generally within a certain time period after buying it). I'm raising the b.s. flag on the 2 year liability law on a currently passed vehicle, until seeing that one in writing.

 

[sota]

Ditto.
You're GTG for as long as the sticker on the windshield says so in NJ. after that you're on your own.
No one in their right mind would by a car without a current/valid inspection sticker, unless they're getting a project car, which in that case means they expect to have to deal with issues. How does it make any sense for me to be liable for the emissions on a vehicle after I've sold it and I'm no longer in possession or control over it?

 

[profdlp]

The only thing I can figure on this warranty stuff is that you "might" be liable if you knew about a problem and didn't disclose it.

 

[tjkj2002]

Where is that law? The only thing I've ever heard of a buyer being able to come back on a seller is if the title isn't clear.

You won't see it unless your in a area that has emission testing and you do have rights to make the PO make it pass if your within that 2 year time frame.


My state doesn't even give any time limit,it's forced upon sale.


From our state laws when selling a used vehicle/buying used vehiclevia private party sale regardless of emission testing zone or not...................


--The seller must provide you a new Certificate of Emissions Compliance (obtained after passing the emissions test) at the time of sale.--

 

[CactusJacked]

Here in IL, the state won't renew the yearly license plate sticker if the car hasn't passed the emissions test. So if it has a plate sticker, it passed the last test.

 

[John3seventeen]

So if I trade in a vehicle where there is no emissions testing and lets say its sold at an auction to someone where there is testing. Am I considered the previous owner or the car lot where I traded it?

 

[tommudd]

So if I trade in a vehicle where there is no emissions testing and lets say its sold at an auction to someone where there is testing. Am I considered the previous owner or the car lot where I traded it?

If traded in at a dealer then it would be up to the dealer, or at least thats what I get from reading here in Ohio BUT???

 

[tjkj2002]

So if I trade in a vehicle where there is no emissions testing and lets say its sold at an auction to someone where there is testing. Am I considered the previous owner or the car lot where I traded it?

No the dealer you traded it into would be responsible but on the flip side say you disabled the MIL and traded it in and then someone bought it from the dealer,then the new owner found out somehow they can go after you.

 

[Hockeygoon]

You won't see it unless your in a area that has emission testing and you do have rights to make the PO make it pass if your within that 2 year time frame.


My state doesn't even give any time limit,it's forced upon sale.


From our state laws when selling a used vehicle/buying used vehiclevia private party sale regardless of emission testing zone or not...................


--The seller must provide you a new Certificate of Emissions Compliance (obtained after passing the emissions test) at the time of sale.--

Link to the two year thing? Right now a New VW Diesel can't even do that.

 

[M38 Bob]

Grateful to live in a semi free state! Arkansas ignores federal extortion to institute vehicle safety and emissions testing. Should a vehicle I've owned be taken to one of your serf states, yall can all kiss my ****.

Bob

 

[tjkj2002]

Link to the two year thing? Right now a New VW Diesel can't even do that.

If it's "new" take it back to the dealer,the VW thing is a known issue so it will be fixed.

 

[tjkj2002]

Grateful to live in a semi free state! Arkansas ignores federal extortion to institute vehicle safety and emissions testing. Should a vehicle I've owned be taken to one of your serf states, yall can all kiss my ****.

Bob

The emission thing I could not care about but safety checks I'm all for.The amount of unsafe vehicles I see would shock you.


It's always a vehicle that comes in with metal to metal brakes and they don't care about that,there more worried why there radio doesn't work(or AC).


So severely corroded that the brakes lines have rusted through and no brakes,nope there not worried about that,there more worried about there drivers window not rolling down.




I've had a vehicle so badly corroded that it actually broke in half when I attempted to lift it on the rack.It was a '90's Tohoe,the body was the only thing that was holding it together.The guy wanted to drive it home,we said no and towed it and yes it was seen back on the road the next day.

 

[profdlp]

^ I'm not a mechanic like you, but I've known plenty of people who figured they could get by without brakes as long as the horn worked. :emotions34: