Liberty vs. Landrover

[dnm45227]

So I get into it w/a co-worker today. He has a Land Rover and me being the right thinking, God fearing, women loving man that I am I have a Liberty (that my wife sometimes lets me drive). In short we got into a "discusion" over each vehicle's prowice off road. He spewed out some nonesense about 52% of the Lounge Lizzards weight being distributed in it's base (so it has a heavy a$$, who cares) and this enables it to tackle a 38 degree paralell grade. Does anybody know what the Liberty can handle? Also, he jabbed with the "Land Rover has a track set up that you drive on (with this Everest type grade) before you buy a vehicle from them. Does Jeep do that, no I don't think so!". So, before this gets settled out in the parking lot can you guys/gals give me a couple of barbs to counter with?

Thanks,
Doug

 

[-=JoN=-]

from the jeep website

Bring on the terrain. Liberty's water-fording capabilities get you through wet off-highway trails or flooded underpasses. And at curb weight, Liberty delivers an impressive 9.4 inches of ground clearance, 37-degree approach angle, a 31.5-degree departure angle and a breakover angle of 21.8 degrees.

as for that park test thing that land rover has..no, jeep dealers dont..but if anyone has been to the ny auto show with camp jeep, they have pretty much the same tests...i got some photos from this years auto show, i'll post em up later

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[-=JoN=-]

oh and tell him that by owning a landrover..he doesnt get to chat with the likes of us...or get to be a part of such a great community such as this....LoL...
(he can register if he wants too tho, but he'd just get jealous....he he...)

 

[kegjeep]

jeep and landrovers/rangerovers are both capable off-road vehicles. My sister owns a range rover and i'll have to admit that its a LOT than my jeep, but you also have to look at the fact that the range rover hovers around with 70k price tag while the jeep is around 20k. Even the land rover had a 40k price tag. Of course you are going to expect a lot more vehicle with that kind of price tag, and it may be a bit more capable offroad than the KJ. Don't underestimate the KJ though, its capable of more than it looks like it is.

 

[Bennett]

If the landrover is a freelander, then good luck if you get in an accident. Studies have shown (and I have a video) of how bad the passenger compartment collapses. The Liberty doesn't do this.

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The dummy's position after the crash test indicates that the steering wheel rotated upward and finished too close to the dummy's chest. This proximity was exacerbated by the forward pitching of the driver seat.

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Smeared greasepaint indicates where the dummy's head twisted around and contacted the side glass during rebound. Head acceleration from this contact was low.

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Measures on the left knee indicated the possibility of injury when the knee contacted the instrument panel and steering column.


Liberty:

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The driver's survival space was maintained well, as indicated by the dummy's position in relation to the steering wheel and instrument panel after the second crash test.


Both are pics from the same tests.

Ratings:

Freelander 3 stars
Liberty 5 stars

For me safety is #1.

 

[JeepJeepster]

Im sure that the libby has better approach and departure. lol and the libby DOES NOT have a ground clearance of 9.4, its more like 7. Im sure the land rover could go more places, if u put a locker in the rear and a ls in the front of the libby, it would kill it. It brakes the tires that slip, thats what would get u, but they have no articulation what so ever.

 

[Bennett]

Videos:

Liberty
http://autos.msn.com/media/asx/iihs/0127.asx

Freelander
http://autos.msn.com/media/asx/iihs/0215.asx

 

[dnm45227]

What is the speed that those vehicles strike at?
I still think the Liberty can out perform a Landrover, just my biased opinion though.

 

[Bennett]

40 mph i believe.

 

[farwellbooth]

The Freeloader of which the Liberty competes with would be taken to school. It doesn't have 4 lo for one. However the LR3s and Ranges kick ass. They better for the money.

I think the guy was talking about traversing an incline sideways, not approach and departure angles....

 

[Eddo]

Also, he jabbed with the "Land Rover has a track set up that you drive on (with this Everest type grade) before you buy a vehicle from them.

How is these for some grades for you. Yes it is as steep as it looks if not steeper.

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[Eddo]

Oh and you wanted some off-camber shots.

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[kj lad]

Well you are all right if you are refering to the Freelander, however, the new Landrover Discovery 3 is far better off road and on road than the Libby (sorry)!

It's new terrain response system is revolutionary! Basically you turn the switch to whatever surface you on and the onboard computer will set the ride height, gearing and traction control for optimum traction. It really is a superb set up! I've taken one offroad as our local Landrover dealership is still trying to get me back into a Landrover! It is actually better than new WK too.

Now for the Libby's defence....... You will pay more than twice as much for the top spec Disco. You could buy a libby, do a sfa swap, lift it 6", run 35" muds, regear it, put a winch and winch bar on it and put lockers front and back and STILL have change enough to buy a TJ if you wanted!

I know what my choice is because I think modding the Jeep is more fun!

Ian

 

[-=JoN=-]

yeah, them land rovers are very expensive..and if you can afford one, i dont think you'd want to take it off road, seeing as you probably used your life savings, sold your liver, and kidney, and auctioned off the rights to your name to afford one, and then you'd probably sell off more parts to get the things fixed or maintain it .....LoL

seriously, it's like w/ any other hobby pretty much, building up your machine is half the fun of using it for what you built it up to.

 

[dnm45227]

Wow! Those are some awesome pics. I guess I'll have to concede, since he has a Discovery. However, I may still take him out to the parking lot just out of spite.

 

[Bennett]

I mean really how can you compare a 25k liberty to a 50k+ Land Rover?

 

[fujitsubo]

used your life savings, sold your liver, and kidney, and auctioned off the rights to your name to afford one, and then you'd probably sell off more parts to get the things fixed or maintain it .....LoL

that's funny and true as well. You'll could be in the poor house fixing a Land Rover if there's problems.

rob

 

[krazz1e]

It depends what type of Land Rover it was.

95-01 Discovery = Disco wins vs Lib Stock. Pretty Equal Disco Stock Vs Mod Lib
02-2004 Discovery = No Central Diff Lock, but higher clearance, Lib wins
05 LR3 Discovery = IFS/IRS, Lockers & air suspension, Disco wins stock vs Lib stock. Stock Disco vs Mod Lib, Lib wins

90-2000 Range Rovers = Range Rovers win vs lib stock, Mod Lib would win
2000-2005 Range Rovers = Range Rovers win Stock vs Stock, Stock vs Mod Lib, Lib wins

Freelander = Lib slaughters freelander left and right

Price vs Price = Lib wins

I own a 1996 Discovery so I can give you some fair comparison to a Liberty. Stock vs Stock no comparison. Discovery wins hands down, higher clearance and both solid axes. Now, Lifted & Locked Lib they are about equal. Obviously the biggest disadvantage to the lib is its IFS.

 

[dnm45227]

So a Liberty w/a lift kit and diff locker would pretty much equal the performance of a Land Rover? About how much does a lift kit cost (I know that's a hole other topic, just want round numbers) and exacltly what does a diff locker do and how much do they cost and how hard are they to install?

 

[CHUD]

I think the guy was talking about traversing an incline sideways, not approach and departure angles....

One should NEVER traverse an incline sideways. Good way to roll your vehicle.