traded my 04 for an 03. questions...

[knotwerk]

Hi guys. I've been driving my 04 limited for 7 or so years now and it's up to 175k. It's in need of repairs but she's been so good to me I just traded her in on an 03 renegade with manual trans, leather,& sunroof. The renegade has only 87 k.

Now my question is this. The shifting seems a little awkward from 2nd to 3rd. Is this normal? Also it seems to only have the part time 4x4 not the full time that I'm used to from my limited...how cautious do I really have to be using this? I do almost all highway driving and a lot of it. In a winter storm can I just pull the lever or do I have to wait until I'm climbing the snow bank into my driveway? For all intents and purposes did I just by a 2wd jeep?

Thanks for any help
Mike

 

[Joe200man]

I have an 03 renegade with a 5 speed and mine is the same way from 2nd to 3rd. And the 4 wheel drive is just 4 hi and 4 lo. They just label it as "part time" and "full time". Still the same one wheel in the back, one wheel in the front unless u got a locker or a limited slip

 

[CactusJacked]

I have a manual and have no issues between 2-3. Don't know what you are experiencing by "awkward". Yes, the manual trans models come with the 231 part time t case. According to the Jeep service manual, 4 hi and lo are for off road or on road when "the surface is wet or slippery or covered by ice or snow". Whereas with the 242 case in part time, they state "off road or on roads only if covered in snow or ice". According to Jeeps' words then, we have a little more leeway when in part time, being able to drive part time on "wet" roads, where the 242 can't. And you can pull it into 4 hi any time, up to 55 mph.

 

[Joe200man]

I have a manual and have no issues between 2-3. Don't know what you are experiencing by "awkward". Yes, the manual trans models come with the 231 part time t case. According to the Jeep service manual, 4 hi and lo are for off road or on road when "the surface is wet or slippery or covered by ice or snow". Whereas with the 242 case in part time, they state "off road or on roads only if covered in snow or ice". According to Jeeps' words then, we have a little more leeway when in part time, being able to drive part time on "wet" roads, where the 242 can't. And you can pull it into 4 hi any time, up to 55 mph.

U still only have one wheel in front and one wheel in back spinning. All the transfer case does is provide power to the differential. So it doesn't matter which tcase u have, it has nothing to do with "traction". And I wouldn't pop any vehicle I was driving into 4-wheel drive if it was moving! U can pop it out of 4-wheels while moving as long as ur not going to fast

 

[dude1116]

U still only have one wheel in front and one wheel in back spinning. All the transfer case does is provide power to the differential. So it doesn't matter which tcase u have, it has nothing to do with "traction". And I wouldn't pop any vehicle I was driving into 4-wheel drive if it was moving! U can pop it out of 4-wheels while moving as long as ur not going to fast

Its meant to be shifted in and out on the fly...55 mph is the figure from the book. And the full time option in his old tcase allows for different speeds in the wheel spin.

 

[Joe200man]

We'll u guys go right ahead and pop ur jeep into 4-wheel drive going 55mph. I wouldn't do it going 5 mph.

 

[Marlon_JB2]

We'll u guys go right ahead and pop ur jeep into 4-wheel drive going 55mph. I wouldn't do it going 5 mph.

The Liberty is *meant* to be shifted into 4WD while moving.

Even in 4LO.

This isn't an '79 Bronco...

Shifting into 4WD is easier while moving at speed for a reason. Doing it while stopped is a serious pain in the rear.

knotwerk, pics? I love Renegades.

 

[knotwerk]

Thanks guys! I should pick it up Wednesday.

It's this model here.

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Minus running boards. There was a tear in the driver's seat so they put in a brand new one. New tires. Looks like a new water pump.

 

[Joe200man]

The Liberty is *meant* to be shifted into 4WD while moving.

Even in 4LO.

This isn't an '79 Bronco...

Shifting into 4WD is easier while moving at speed for a reason. Doing it while stopped is a serious pain in the rear.

knotwerk, pics? I love Renegades.

Just because it's "ok" doesn't mean it's right lol. U better Hope the drivetrain isn't on any type of a bind when u do this. I've seen to many tcases blow apart from people trying to do this. As far as a kj goes I've seen the cv joint in the front axle get destroyed by doing this. I'd rather take that extra two seconds to stop and put it in.

 

[Joe200man]

Thanks guys! I should pick it up Wednesday.

It's this model here.

You must be registered for see images

Minus running boards. There was a tear in the driver's seat so they put in a brand new one. New tires. Looks like a new water pump.

Looks like mine lol

 

[tjkj2002]

I have a manual and have no issues between 2-3. Don't know what you are experiencing by "awkward". Yes, the manual trans models come with the 231 part time t case. According to the Jeep service manual, 4 hi and lo are for off road or on road when "the surface is wet or slippery or covered by ice or snow". Whereas with the 242 case in part time, they state "off road or on roads only if covered in snow or ice". According to Jeeps' words then, we have a little more leeway when in part time, being able to drive part time on "wet" roads, where the 242 can't. And you can pull it into 4 hi any time, up to 55 mph.

You got the 2 t-cases mixed up.The 231 command trac is part time 4wd and 4 low only while the 242 select trac has full time 4wd also which allows the use of 4wd on dry pavement and other high traction surfaces like wet pavement.Do not use part time 4wd on wet pavement,not enough slip and binding will occur.If the road is 100% covered by snow and ice then yes you can use it but go to 2wd when the road is more pavement(even wet pavement) then snow/ice.Buy better tires and slow down.




Hence the name "part time",you can only use it "part of the time" and the 242 has "full time" which allows you to use 4wd "all of the time".

 

[CactusJacked]

Didn't mix the cases up at all, go back and re-read what I wrote.

 

[tjkj2002]

Didn't mix the cases up at all, go back and re-read what I wrote.

The 231 and 242 t-cases in either part time or low are identical as to what and what you can not do and what they can or can not handle.The 242's full time option is the only difference which allows operation on dry/wet pavement.When in part time or low the 242 "locks" it's center diff acting just like the 231 in part time or low,unlocks it when in full time.

 

[knotwerk]

The 231 and 242 t-cases in either part time or low are identical as to what and what you can not do and what they can or can not handle.The 242's full time option is the only difference which allows operation on dry/wet pavement.When in part time or low the 242 "locks" it's center diff acting just like the 231 in part time or low,unlocks it when in full time.

So if I'm in a snowstorm and can see two stripes of pavement I shouldn't use 4 hi? That kinda stinks

 

[CzarKJ]

Really you have to use your best judgement. I know you know your snow in manchester. A good set of tires should keep you mostly in 2wd until your rear starts to get screwy!

 

[knotwerk]

Really you have to use your best judgement. I know you know your snow in manchester. A good set of tires should keep you mostly in 2wd until your rear starts to get screwy!

Guess I'm just spoiled by having the ability to just flip it on when conditions get squirrelly

 

[tjkj2002]

So if I'm in a snowstorm and can see two stripes of pavement I shouldn't use 4 hi? That kinda stinks

Yep that is correct.Better tires makes a huge difference.


Heck I don't even get out and lock my front hubs in till 12"+,just to lazy and it's so much more fun in 2wd.

 

[profdlp]

I just got my '07 last May, so this is my first winter with it. (And quite a winter it's been so far...)

I was concerned that I would screw something up hemming and hawing between 4WD Yes/No. To be honest, after half an hour practicing in an empty ballfield parking lot when we had our first snow, I felt like I could pretty much tell when I needed it and when I didn't. Loose rule of thumb: If you think you need it you probably do and you shouldn't damage anything by having it on. (Unless you're a Nervous Nellie, and I know you folks in NH aren't when it comes to snow.)

I also had to make an emergency 75-mile trip in a near-blizzard a few weeks ago and was turning it on and off on the fly as necessary. At times I was not long behind the plow having been through and it wasn't needed; In the slick spots I turned it on and never skipped a beat. I was more worried about the other people out there driving like nitwits than I was about slipping or messing up the transfer case.

 

[streetglideok]

If you can still see pavement, if you have the right tires on it, you really shouldn't need 4wd, other than maybe getting started at stop lights, etc and then popping it back into 2wd. The last couple snow storms we have had, I only used the 4wd to get going up a hill with ice on it, other than that, 2wd. This is with open diffs front and rear still.

You can shift from 2wd into 4hi when moving. It is designed to do that. Don't do it when the rear wheels are spinning faster than the fronts, or you'll get a nice kaboom and end up spending lots of money with me later on,lol. All you are doing is engaging the front output of the t-case when you pull it into 4hi. Nothing magical like elves spanking a hamster or anything else happens. As long as the driveshaft speeds match, it pops in with no drama.

 

[02blue]

Nothing magical like elves spanking a hamster or anything else happens.

:gr_grin: Don't know what else to say... priceless!