3.7 > crd

[speedracerbubba]

In most cases I prefer a diesel to a gas engine. typically you just need to keep the fluids clean and you are good.
Our cargo vans and trucks at work are all diesel except one van and the van needed a new engine at about 175k and the diesel vans (sprinters) are going on 200k+ and 300k+ all on stock drivetrain. My brothers 99 dodge ram with the cummins is still going great with only needing a new injector pump (expensive pump).
A friend of mine who drives a semi cross country for a living just had his engine replaced and he was pissed because it only went 350k miles.

But, I am still a sucker for a big, healthy V8 or a finely tuned motor of any size.

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

The OM416 used in the older Sprinters is a good engine. It's just that WOP lump that's in the CRD KJs that's useless.

Yeah, the engine dates back to 1958 because it hasn't NEEDED to be updated to something more modern.

 

[ms5490renegade]

crd is a busted piece of trash.
the best part about it is the fact its in a jeep

3.7 ferrrever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

Quieres mi verga en la panocha?

 

[eyehatetofu]

Quieres mi verga en la panocha?

No, dos in la rosa uno in la pestazo.

 

[ms5490renegade]

I don't see the point of bringing Mercedes into this, the only JEEP's that had Mercedes engines were GC's. And that because Mercedes didn't want them anymore. Chrysler had no benefit whatsoever of the coalision with Daimler, all Mercedes wanted was a cheap way into the US market. Not giving any of their technology to Chrysler.

Now you can bash on the Italians as much as you like...they own 35% of Chrysler.

Diesel diesel diesel is the way to go..but you just cannot get it into your thick scull.


Yeah, that's why you now have a 3.8 minivan engine in your JK..you guys crack me up. A 3.8 V6 in Europe would pump out 300bhp...you got .....150? Like my 2.5 CRD? Bwahahahahaaaaa lmgdfao

my minivan engine hasnt broken so that means its better than the crturd

 

[Midgear]

I'm not one to get into arguments but what the hell.. who gives a damn if it's been put into a minivan.

just because it's been used in a minivan means it's a pos? does it really make you think LESS of the engine because it's been under the hood of a minivan?

got news for you slappy, your diesel motor has been used in a minivan, so I guess it's a piece a shit as well..

Europe/Oceana/South Africa (2008–present)

Chrysler Grand Voyager
Production: 2008–present

Assembly Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Body style(s) 4-door minivan
Layout FF layout
Platform Chrysler RT platform
Engine(s) 2.8 L VM Motori R 428 DOHC 4-cyl Turbodiesel
3.8 L EGH V6
Transmission(s) Chrysler 62TE 6-speed automatic
Wheelbase 121.2 in (3078 mm)
Length 202.5 in (5144 mm)
Width 76.9 in (1953 mm)
Height 68.9 in (1750 mm)
Related Chrysler Town & Country
Dodge Grand Caravan
Volkswagen Routan
Designer Ralph Gilles
Chrysler introduced the new Grand Voyager for 2008 and successfully positioned it in the automotive market as a luxury MPV suited for large families. The Grand Voyager is visually identical to the Chrysler Town & Country which is sold in the North American market. In similar fashion to the other large multi-purpose vehicles (MPVs) on the market the Grand Voyager is sold with a standard diesel engine in Europe.

However, the seating is arranged in the 2-2-3 (front to rear) layout common in North America, rather than the 2-3-2 layout often seen in SUVs and MPVs in Europe. On right hand drive (RHD) models the gear shift lever is placed on a floor mounted console between the seats, in contrast to the instrument panel positioning found on LHD models.

Trim Levels:

LX
Touring
Limited
Standard engine:

2008–present: 2.8 L (2776 cc) CRD I4, 163 hp (122 kW) at 3800 rpm and 265 lb ft (359 N·m) at 1600 rpm[4] (List of VM Motori engines#R 428 DOHC)

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also-

2.5 L (2,499 cc/152.5 cu in) I4, with four valves-per-cylinder and common-rail direct fuel injection. Also available with variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) with upgraded power output of 120 kW (163 PS).[1]

Applications:

2001–present Chrysler Voyager Manual (power: 141 hp (105 kW); torque: 251 ft•lbf (340 N m))

 

[eyehatetofu]

Yeah, that's why you now have a 3.8 minivan engine in your JK..you guys crack me up. A 3.8 V6 in Europe would pump out 300bhp...you got .....150? Like my 2.5 CRD? Bwahahahahaaaaa lmgdfao

Wait a second, weren't you just *******' about global warming? We could put out a 1000 horsepower 4 ******, but the EPA says that is a no-no. There are a ton of European cars that can't be imported here because they do not meet US emission standards; diesels being among them. Pot calling the kettle black kind of thing going on here.

I agree with your overall consensus about diesel vehicles and diesel in general. The 3.7 vs CRD debate really doesn't concern me. Diesel vehicles have the ability to run on all kinds of off the wall stuff with the right modifications and can cut the total petroleum use percentage way down. Sounds smart to me. I have heard the arguments for over 10 years now, but the reality is many in the US still think that diesel vehicles are "dirty" and "unclean". With the whole "green" movement going this isn't helping diesel proponents either.

 

[ms5490renegade]

Since I do not speak your dialect (you suck at Spanish) I can only imagine what you are trying to say.

Got lost for words now have you TBJ?

The CRD will outlast the 3.7....ow that hurt? Sorry..

Not.



Try fording a puddle. JK's suck.

i have tried fording a puddle.
i can out wheel your kj anyday and i'll pull you out of the trail when you blow something in your engine.

 

[SMETNA]

Oh great, another global warming The-Sky-Is-Falling Chicken Little response from some limp wristed Socialist from Europe.

Big shocker there.

LMAO. (lol)

I bet the Spanish media never even covered the "climate gate" scandal where they found those leaked emails admitting the eco-mentalists were flat out lying about global warming usa.gif

 

[Midgear]

..so what's your point....

my point is that your little diesel engine has been under the hood of a minivan, past or present doesn't matter- the fact of the matter is, it was used in a minivan.

 

[jnaut]

Yeah, like that other guy...

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3.7 rolling down a steep hill with a tornado blowing his way..

DUH.

Tony, peel that little plastic protector sheet off your display. It drives me crazy when people leave those things on their electronics. Just a compulsive tic I have.

 

[jnaut]

TBird, I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but are you saying that the 3.7 is superior to the CRD conceptually, or superior to it in a real-world functionality?

If it's the latter, there's no dispute. When CRD owners on "Lost" even admit that owning a CRD is a 'love/hate relationship', that's code for "it breaks a lot".

Just like when Land Rover owners warn other people that owning a Land Rover is a thing which you "kind of just have be into". That too is code for "If you expect it to work when you get into it and turn the key, keep moving".

 

[ms5490renegade]

our government is keeping the garbage on the otherside of the pond.

i would rather have a i6 or the v6 4.0. miuch better engines.

the crD I C K breaks so much im surprised anyone who drives one has money to mod theirs

 

[jnaut]

So how many 3.7 guys have had bad seals in the turbo lead to a runaway engine?

What's a bad seal in the turbo? Oh, it's a 'CRD thing' so I wouldn't understand.

I also wouldn't understand "oil all over my hoses", "expensive thermostat replacement", "Hey! There aren't any waterpumps available" or my favorite:

"I bricked my CRD when I flashed it!!!11!!1one!" leghump.gif

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

No No NO, that is so wrong, you cannot never ever build a 4 ****** 1.4ltr turbo charged engine that has 170 bhp like Alfa Romeo (FIAT) can. It's not in your DNA. And besides that, it cannot run on RON87 (what's up with that?)

Your government is protecting it's own market/economy by banning the import of such vehicles. Euro build cars have twice the fuel economy of your US crap cars and will outpower them (CU/BHP ratio) so they won't let them into the country.



Finally, someone sees it my way.

Name one naturally aspirated 4 cylinder in the 80s that was making 180 hp.

ThunderbirdJunkie can.

The GM Quad 4 that came in the Grand Am GT and Oldsmobile Quad4-4-2.

It took almost two decades for Honda to catch up...the Euro manufacturers have ALWAYS needed the turbocharger crutch to make that kind of power from a sub-2.5 liter 4 cylinder.

 

[jnaut]

Not mine..some guy on LOST posted this pic of his 3.7 and then said 'look at me'.........

Ah. Now it makes sense. Being from Europe, I was surprised you would let something so tacky slip by... I mean, with your fancy cosmopolitain social mores, higher culinary standards and teeny little motorcycles with people in stylish sunglasses saying "Ciao!" to eachother...

 

[jnaut]

I've never experianced the CRD, so I can't comment on it, I do however run the 3.7 with absolutely no problems.. I also drive the shit out of it, no problems.

Followed by:

even tho it gets 10 miles to the gallon, eats a quart of oil faster than I can eat a cheeseburger, and sometimes belches smoke out the exhaust..

That's sort of like saying that you don't have any problems, except the ones you do have.

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

Ah. Now it makes sense. Being from Europe, I was surprised you would let something so tacky slip by... I mean, with your fancy cosmopolitain social mores, higher culinary standards and teeny little motorcycles with people in stylish sunglasses saying "Ciao!" to eachother...

ThunderbirdJunkie seems to remember a certain Dutchman that came here and enjoyed the hell out of Tony Pacos and Steak 'n' Shake

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

HA
THE M3
What a JOKE.

2011 Mustang GT will hang with the M3 at 50% of the price.

And in the US...guess what two five-year-old cars you can buy for $20,000?

A 2005 Mustang GT...

And a 2005 BMW M3.

M3 cost double new what the Mustang did. Why so resale, Europe?