mikejeepstarternoob
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I never got the hate for patriots and compass. Im sure someone can do good work on that.
..renegade though lol i see fiat
..renegade though lol i see fiat
What did you do to your jeep today?
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yellocoyote
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Same here. As much as I try to like it... I don't think I do.
I like the Pats overall , and like mentioned have a game plan all worked out . Selling one or two of my KJs to partially fund a Pat buildup. ( when that happens )
Which drivetrain did you get Jayme ?
Which drivetrain did you get Jayme ?
yellocoyote
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It's the Freedom Drive I.
As much as I'd love to have the lower gearing in their 'off road package,' I read far too many bad things on the CVT ******. Mostly how it dies and needs replacement early in the vehicle's life - as early as 12k, 14k, 18k miles. And that's just with regular on-pavement driving. FDII with 5-speed manual is pretty rare (around here), so I went with the 6-speed auto. So, it's essentially AWD with the option of 4-hi lock if needed. I'd like to get somewhere to test that out sometime.
dude1116
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When? I'll come...
dude1116
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Patriots are just a pain to work on. (Sometimes)
Replaced the alternator in a few hours (it's TIGHT with a lateral motor...) only to start it up and have the power steering rack SPEWING fluid.
http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/f263/jeep-patriot-power-steering-spraying-rack-60000/
That being said...this little Jeep had about 120k on it. Definitely not too shabby as far as mileage goes. And some things seemed significantly easier to replace than on the KJ. Rack being one of them. Oil pan being another.
yellocoyote
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Certainly a new learning curve any way you look at it...
Yes great choice
That's all I see. My husband points at them and yells Fiat when we pass one, too. It was kinda funny at first...
mikejeepstarternoob
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To be fair, if a complete lift kit and some modifications become available, it MIGHT slightly be better than rav4.
But as of now, no lift besides daystar spacer and i heard rro is working on a lift for renegade (rro wrote it on renegade forum)
Not the brightest future for renegade.
Its sort of funny how we view vehicles and their capabilities and how some other parts of the world do.
EVEN stock a new Renegade is pretty good off road from various tests/ videos etc that I have seen. BUT we have brainwashed ourselves into thinking we need massive lifts/ 35s at least , Hemi engines etc just to off road. Most of us never , ever use 1/5 of the potential that our vehicles have anyways but we have been brought over to the dark side in thinking we do.
Case in point, Tanzania not a country with great roads, what are paved are rough, all side roads are dirt / mud / nothing on them at all.
BUT you never see a lifted anything , no massive tires, just ARB bumpers etc . They go places with front wheel drive cars that many of the folks here would think you'd need a fully built rig to transverse. I've taken my wifes Rav 4 with street tires on roads that I just knew we'd be walking 12 miles to her parents house ( still thinking with American mentality ) BUT with knowledge from the last 40 plus years of 4 wheeling we made it with no problems. They live on the slopes of Mt Kilimanjaro so yes there are steep climbs.
So just cause its not lifted, just cause its not locked and on 35s at least does not necessarily make any of the SUVs bad .
One reason my current build ( 03 ) is lower, ( but with the best lift available more for ride than height ) etc I'm going back towards what I started out in back in the 70s , 700-16 tires/ no lift / no winch/ just going to have fun.
Look at what people all over the world travel everywhere with, heck one guy traveled all over Africa in a Porsche 911 LOL
by the way this is the good section of road to my In Laws house
look out better lock it in and turn on the ARBs LOL
EVEN stock a new Renegade is pretty good off road from various tests/ videos etc that I have seen. BUT we have brainwashed ourselves into thinking we need massive lifts/ 35s at least , Hemi engines etc just to off road. Most of us never , ever use 1/5 of the potential that our vehicles have anyways but we have been brought over to the dark side in thinking we do.
Case in point, Tanzania not a country with great roads, what are paved are rough, all side roads are dirt / mud / nothing on them at all.
BUT you never see a lifted anything , no massive tires, just ARB bumpers etc . They go places with front wheel drive cars that many of the folks here would think you'd need a fully built rig to transverse. I've taken my wifes Rav 4 with street tires on roads that I just knew we'd be walking 12 miles to her parents house ( still thinking with American mentality ) BUT with knowledge from the last 40 plus years of 4 wheeling we made it with no problems. They live on the slopes of Mt Kilimanjaro so yes there are steep climbs.
So just cause its not lifted, just cause its not locked and on 35s at least does not necessarily make any of the SUVs bad .
One reason my current build ( 03 ) is lower, ( but with the best lift available more for ride than height ) etc I'm going back towards what I started out in back in the 70s , 700-16 tires/ no lift / no winch/ just going to have fun.
Look at what people all over the world travel everywhere with, heck one guy traveled all over Africa in a Porsche 911 LOL
by the way this is the good section of road to my In Laws house
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The local place...likely would've towed it there, so that would've taken 2 vehicles out of service then having to commute back or stay in a hotel there it would've worked out to be about the same. But I wish I could've gone there!
That's the idea.
Clearance and tires are the main thing. I hadn't had the KJ in anything that really "required" low range in probably 3 years now... and as sad as that is to say, it makes me realize how underutilized it was.4-hi, used plenty of times in my cross country travels - I still have that now.
Who knows... one day if we ever get out of the midwest to somewhere more fun terrain-wise, there will probably be something more off road worthy in the mix. For now, that's not where my needs are.
Don't have low range in the WK, it works just fine. Watch some Topgear to see how far they go without low range, like the Africa special.
Marlon's WK didn't have low range...he still got it out :gr_grin:
mikejeepstarternoob
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You're right. I probably don't use fraction of mine's capability. Most of stuff on mine is probably an overkill for what i'll do. I was probably too harsh against other vehicles. Ever since i got a jeep i do tend to look down on others.
I do as well at times because I have a bada** KJ LOL
But I think we all think what we have is the best and nothing wrong with that at all we build them and we are proud of them
yellocoyote
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If you talking about the MK, there IS a spring lift available.
But if you're talking about the Renegade... that I don't know. It kind of seems like they're too new for much. Maybe over time...?
yellocoyote
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Sounds like a lot of areas I've been in while in Alaska too.
mikejeepstarternoob
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That's the idea.
Clearance and tires are the main thing. I hadn't had the KJ in anything that really "required" low range in probably 3 years now... and as sad as that is to say, it makes me realize how underutilized it was.
Who knows... one day if we ever get out of the midwest to somewhere more fun terrain-wise, there will probably be something more off road worthy in the mix. For now, that's not where my needs are.
I use LO range when I plow and push mulch
